Lesbian Dayna Morales pulled off a 'homophobic' hate hoax. She was rightfully suspended from her job and then sacked as a result. This hate crime hoax is not the first she pulled - she has a history of lies and irratic behaviour. She did not show up for drills when with the marines, and had lied to her co-workers at another previous job, claiming to have had brain cancer, going as far as to shave her head, and then abruptly quit. Kudos to NBC's investigation and posting here.
* * *
Dayna Morales: I am THOROUGHLY offended mad pissed off
Capri: Yes I'm sure you are a certifiable rage-a-holic. I'd suggest you watch your mouth, but, this is you. Should I really expect any better?
Dayna Morales: and hurt
Capri: You, getting offended and hurt by your own hoax, that's really whacko. Everyone has a right to be thoroughly offended, mad, ticked off and hurt by your actions. You have nothing to whine about. You just invent it all.
Dayna Morales: that THIS is what her kids will grow up learning
Capri: You have no idea what her kids will grow up learning, and, it is none of your business. That you just singled out some poor family to make as the butt of your hate hoax is odious. You bullied and lied about innocent people for no reason other than perpetuate some political agenda and deplorable ploy for sympathy and attention you don't deserve.
This family never said anything against you and they did leave you an all-too-generous tip. And why on earth would any customer even know about your, uh, lifestyle anyway? I surely don't know anything about the people who wait on me when I go out to eat beyond their name when they introduce themselves. And, they likewise know nothing about me. So that's another area where your hoax tale just goes way over the top and doesn't add up.
Dayna Morales: and that I served in the Marines
Capri: Is that what you call it? Some call it dishonourable discharge for a job not well done.
Dayna Morales: to keep ignorant people like them free.
Capri: You sound just like a chain letter "I fought for your right to be free to be stupid and this is the thanks I get?" No kidding, that sentiment is expressed in these chain letters:
Do You Support The Troops Atheist Professor Oh, I bet having it pointed out that you have something in common especially with that last chain letter is bound to tick you off something awful! But that's just fine.
Dayna Morales: Sorry lady but I don’t agree with YOUR lifestyle and the way you’re raising your kids
Capri: Hah! I'll bet the only thing you're really sorry for is getting busted! You may look down your nose at whoever but the couple you picked on never said anything like that to you, jerk!
Dayna Morales: but you didn’t see me throwing that in your face
Capri: Yes you just did, for no reason!
Dayna Morales: and giving you s****y service.
Capri: Lady, you corner the market on crappy service. If targeting an innocent couple in a smearing bullying hoax full of poisonous lies about them just to get an ill-gotten, undeserved sympathy-grab for yourself, is not crappy service to customers, I don't know what is!
Dayna Morales: Keep your damn mouth shut and pray we never cross paths again.
Capri: Take your own advice, loser! I'm glad I never crossed paths with you and hope I never do. You're a creep.
Then she kept up the lie as NBC New York initially fell for the hoax:
Dayna Morales: "It's great to see everybody's support and I'm thankful for it,
Capri: Oh, I'll bet you were just wallowing in it, lapping it all up. *Rolling eyes in disgust*
Dayna Morales: but it doesn't excuse or change the fact that it actually did happen,
Capri: That's right, nothing excuses or changes the fact you pulled off a heartless hoax.
* * *
Now to a couple of glurge chain letters no other hoax-busting site would dare to debunk, even if they should.
Beth: Oh, for the love-! *grimace* This is ridiculous...I'm adding my two cents to this smash...COME ON. It's the sheeple mentality of 'Oh, being totally all for homosexual stuff is totally cool and awesome! Yay! If you don't go with it, you're mean and evil! Boo!'. *scowl* Sheesh.
Capri: Exactly! And let's not leave out all the other lovely names people get called by default before they say anything either way, because the liberals want to make sure to coerce and shame any opposition into shutting up.
'Bully' 'homophobe' 'intolerant' 'bigoted' 'narrow-minded' 'closed-minded' Because if you are squicky about the idea, disagree with it on your own personally held religious grounds, or don't care and just want to be left alone by these people, you must be all of those. *Hurl*
—
Chain: ♥ Disney should make a gay prince,
Capri: No! That propaganda does NOT belong in kiddy shows!
and notice how this is first on the list?
Beth: What the heck!? Look, what you do in your own time is your business, but that doesn't belong in a kid show. People are confused enough as it is without feeding that to our children.
Chain: so boys know it's OK to be gay.
Capri: No! NOT FRIGGIN' OKAY! it does NOT belong in kiddy fare! Where does it stop? Huh? Maybe Disney should make a bi and polyamerous prince, a pedo prince, a pimp prince, a prostitute prince, a gangster prince, a con-artist prince, terrorist prince, because it's okay for whoever to just do whatever they want no matter what?
Beth: *sigh* Look. Let's get this straight. I don't agree with the choices gay/lesbian people make- and yes, they are are CHOICES. One can develop those tendencies, but one doesn't have to act on them. That's the key. Choice. By putting the 'oh, I was just born this way!' crud into a kid show, you can essentially get away with anything. Before you rip me to shreds for being a prejudiced bigot or whatever, let me finish. I don't agree with their choices, but that doesn't mean I hate all homosexuals. That would be stupid. If I'm going to hate someone, I will hate him/her on an individual level. Much as I am starting to hate you.
Capri: Exactly! I don't hate gay people, I just don't agree with or share their sexual preference.
And I'm so sick of this agenda being shoved down everybody's throats and blasted all over the media, even to the point of hijacking other causes. The so-called "anti-bullying" is full of gay rights activism, turning the so-called "anti-bullying" campaign into a bullying campaign against anyone who *gasp* doesn't coddle people for being gay, or violent self-destructive emo or transgendered.
Chain: ♥ Disney should make a lesbian princess,
Capri: No!If you want to swing that way and hang out with other adults who do, that's your business, but keep it out of Disney!
Beth: *sigh* Oh yes, we must be terribly politically correct, mustn't we?
Capri: *Gags*
Chain: so girls know it's OK to be lesbian.
Capri: For the last time: NO! End of subject, end of discussion, end of story!
Beth: Ditto. Your actions are your own- but don't shove that down kids' throats. They don't even know who they are yet- how are they supposed to make judgement on things like that?
(Snip)
Capri: And I couldn't help noticing you left out a bunch of other special interest groups such as Christians, Jews, sports players, office workers, hospital workers, construction workers, students, teachers, parents, politicians, and the list could go on forever, because all you care about is gay and pretty and ugly and slutting it up and cancer. Nice going, moron!
One more thing…
It is not up to Disney to raise anyone's children. Disney's job is simply this - entertainment, and their goal is to make a nice big profit! As long as they are aiming to entertain the whole family, they should leave all politics out of it as much as they can. It's disheartening that people have been using Disney in their political campaigns at all. As church and state should be separate, so should kiddy entertainment and politics be separate.
If Disney ever does change their objectives for the much worse and becomes another Playboy, they will cease to be Disney. Then they should change their name to something else. Then they can go ahead and do as you said and become another film factory churning out the same twisted adult material that's been around for decades.
Keep your liberal agendas out of kiddy movies/shows!
* * *
Don't expect any sympathy from me here, after all, this next chain letter is deliberate emotional man-handling glurge, with a load of fictitious little scenarios designed to get people totally outraged against some nonexistent homophobic/transpersonaphobic threat.
We all have the right to agree or to disagree with these trends, and yes, they have become trends in the media and on the net. this liberal agenda-pushing propaganda is everywhere, and like all other liberal propaganda designed to quash anything considered conservative or traditional, this bilge tries to paint everybody who doesn't agree with or care one way or the other about gay/trans-p politics, as the most evil, heartless monsters to ever slither on earth. It is just as paranoid and deceptive as those far-right chain letters claiming Obama is the freaking anti-Christ and out to make america a "marxist socialist sharia country" and that all immigrants are illegal and all the poor are lazy freeloaders.
I'm not buying that load, I'm sick to the back teeth of it. So when you get this bullying sort of politics in a chain letter, the results are particularly odious.
Chain: I am the boy who never finished high school because I got called a fag everyday.
Capri: You know, I'm glad I'm out of that age group. everybody got called 'f*g' or 'b***h' it all depended on what gender you were, not your *cough* sexual preference… So you dropped out over that? How will you handle getting laid off work? If you can even get a job, that is.
Chain: I am the girl who was kicked out of her home because I confided in my mother I was a lesbian.
Capri: Oh, cry me a freaking river. People don't kick their kids out over that. You've been chugging the liberal kook aid so much, swallowing all the crap LAO SVU and other junk shows have been passing off as some kind of information wrapped up in entertainment dressing. There are actually some good LAO episodes from all the LAO series, but way too much "organized religion"-bashing, where theists are so often getting portrayed as total whackadoo nut cases and victimizing everybody, and it's never gays who commit violence, they're always, always the ones getting beat up or picked on, always by heterosexuals, and that just isn't real life. I'm damn sick of it!
There is something I would kick my kid out for, if I had a kid who did it, and that would be: - SADISM! Bullying. There was a "Without A Trace" episode once where a boy came very close to suicide because he got bullied by some boy and a gang of girls at his school. It made me livid. The ring-leader was a girl, and her mom was informed, and encouraged to talk to her daughter. Needless to say she was unhappy, probably so ashamed she wouldn't have known where to begin. The things that girl did to the boy. if I had a girl who did that, I would either send her to live with relatives or else i'd move out until I could bear to be in her presence again, and that would take a long time. Heck I'd be so humiliated by her that I probably wouldn't even want to associate with anyone I knew again. how to face your friends and relatives when you've just found out your kid violently bullied another kid, and near to the point of suicide or death in some other way?
See, just because a person doesn't care one way or another if you're gay, or Hamgod forbid, actually doesn't agree with that lifestyle, does not make the one disagreeing with it some kind of cold uncaring monster, or to use your favourite liberal buzzword label to damn everyone to hell for not loving you because you're gay, "homophobe".
Chain: I am the prostitute working the streets because no one will hire a transsexual woman.
Capri: no, you couldn't get hired because you dropped out of school.
Anyway, Your choice. not my problem. Maybe if you didn't make such a big issue of it and demand the world absolutely love you because you paid to have someone manufacture you into a new…Man?…Woman?… Manwoman? she he?…Heshe?…I mean seriously, why would en employer even need to know? All that matters to them is, can you do the job… But you just marched in there "Hey, looks at mrs! I like used to be a manly man, but now I've made myself into a woman! Please please PLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEZ! LRV ME! Show me *RESPECT!*" At any awkward receptions, you totally blow 10,000 gaskets! Well, yeah, who's going to want such a loose cannon pushing their political issues on everyone and making that work place exceedingly tense? You're the one who decided God didn't do good enough on you and mucked up your gender. You're the one who decided to change it. so don't go blaming the world for your self-made problems. The world doesn't owe you a living because you decided you didn't want to be a…girl? Boy? any more.
so how about starting over from scratch and stop making an issue of "I used to be charlie, now I'm Cordelia!" Go and apply for work as Cordelia, don't even bring up your real charley past. Just go it as a fake woman, do your job, I'm sure no employer is going to even ask questions.
Chain: I am the sister who held her gay brother tight through the painful, tear-filled night.
Capri: Uhm, You are not my sister. My brother is very much heterosexual. It's one of my cousins who is gay, and I haven't said a thing to put him in tears. Whatever has gone on in his immediate family involving that really isn't my business either. I don't have to agree with what he does, and he doesn't have to agree with the things I do. That's fine.
Chain: We are the parents who buried our daughter long before her time.
Capri: Let me guess. She's one of the dead girls from these chain letters:
Billy And Katie I Died For Love I Loved Her Isabella's Chain I Wish I Could Change That Kara Lyn Lisa Marie Gonzalez Marriage Cancer Glurge Motorcycle Too Shy Writing On Wall/sheet, Gold Box/Paper, Blown Kisses, Hammered Hands etc.
Chain: I am the man who died alone in a hospital because they would not let my partner of 27 years into the room.
Capri: You can't write internet messages after you've died, liar. As for your partner, maybe they weren't let in because it was discovered they were the one who endangered your life in the first place. You wouldn't happen to be Jake from the Jake and Becky chain would you?
Chain: I am the foster child who wakes up with nightmares of being taken away from the two fathers who were the only loving family I had.
Capri: *Rolling eyes and scowling* Oh, brother! And somewhere else, a married heterosexual couple are heartbroken because they can't conceive, would love to adopt, and they and you are both suffering because liberal law has given the gays first dibs on the orphans just for being gay and the courts are too afraid of being branded as bigots if they choose the heterosexual couple's home for this kid.
Look, I'm not going to pretend I think it's just fine and dandy for gays to shack up and try to raise kids. Sure I'd much rather see a child in a non-violent gay home than a violent heterosexual one, but that doesn't mean there are no violent gays, including parents, or that heterosexuals are somehow less suitable for adopting children just because of the terrible media biases that go out of the way to blast bad news stories about adopted/foster kids being abused. Just wait until it eventually comes out that gay parents and fosters are just as bad at the abuse thing as heteros can be.
and for the record, once a child has bonded with their guardian, who has not stolen him/her from their real parents out of some kind of cruel ongoing revenge plot like what is too often done in bad TV soaps, as long as there is no mistreatment, no one should interfere and try to take that kid out of that home. No exceptions. So if a three-year-old has been living with a nurturing guardian all their life, or for the time they can remember, gay or straight, nobody has the right to come in and wreck those lives.
As an adoptee myself, I always had a wonderful loving, typical home, raised in a great environment, by loving Christian heterosexual married parents, and siblings. even though I don't remember the time I was an infant before coming home, when I went to three different foster homes before finally getting a real home, but that stuff must've registered somewhere within my subconsciousness, manifesting as fear and terrible aversion of change. I had inexplicable terrible insecurities as a child and they made me terribly afraid of hospitals and very upset with even seeming small changes around the house, or things like getting a new car. It took me until probably about 10 before I really started outgrowing these issues. I was 11 when in hospital for longer than a day awaiting surgery, and said for the first time that it was alright, mom or dad or someone else didn't have to stay with me through the night. Before then, I was terrified of losing my family whenever I was hospitalized. When I was 6 or 7, we got a new car. I cried. It was a permanent change. We were never getting the old car back.
My family didn't always understand these conniptions I had over changes that were no big deal to anyone else. new car, rearranging the furniture.I'd get upset and there were times they just wished I would get a grip. and I knew it was irrational but couldn't figure out why I was that way either.
but My family understood my phobias and helped work with me to overcome them. They hugged me when I needed it, and also reminded me to buck up and get a grip when I needed that too. I was never taken away from anyone that I can recall, and thank goodness for that. But I still remember the terror of being in the hospital as a little kid, and Mom trying with all her might to give me some comfort and reassurance that I would be coming back home soon.
To this day, I will not watch episodes of shows where people are fighting over child custody, and news reports of custody battles such as Little Jessica years ago upset me to the point of wanting to break things! I cannot stand seeing that kind of anguish.
So, *Scowl intensifying* I flatly resent your trying to play on this particularly sensitive nerve with me just so you can try bullying me into touting a liberal agenda I do not subscribe to, and not least of all, pass on your ridiculously angsty chain letter!
Your foster kid is just as fictitious as all the other sad sacks you've been trying to throw at me in this chain letter.
Chain: I am not one of the lucky ones,
Capri: So you thought starting a chain letter would make you lucky?
Chain: I killed myself weeks before graduating high school.
Capri: No you didn't. You dropped out, remember? and again, you can't write internet chain letters after you die.
Chain: We are the couple who had the relater hang up on us when she found out we wanted to rent a one bedroom for two men.
Capri: You actually expect me to buy this crap? How ignorant do you think people are? What fool would believe that story?
Look, nobody's going to just assume two men means gay. Maybe this woman thought you were two college students looking to batch it. I would be hesitant to rent to a bunch or even a couple of students too after the horrendous experience with college kid renters we had next-door. and maybe this was one of those deals where only a single renter could live there. This woman could get in trouble for renting to two people in a one-person condo.
Chain: I am the person who never knows which bathroom I should use if I want to avoid getting management called on me.
Capri: Well that's too bad for you. You made your choice, now deal with it.
Chain: I am the mother who isn't allowed to even visit the children I bore, nursed and raised.
Capri: Let's see why this could happen.
Loving Christian mom tried to raise her kids right, but they grew up, allowed themselves to get indoctrinated with liberalism and anti-theism to such an extent that they moved out of the house when they could, and then out of the country, refusing to maintain any ties with the mother they have been badmouthing along with the groups they've been hanging around with.
I'd say maybe you were the one-eyed mom, except as far as I know, she had only one horrible kid who didn't allow her to see him when he grew up, and that was enough to eventually kill her.
Chain: I am the woman who the court labeled an unfit mother because I now live with another woman.
Capri: Bull! Living with another woman could mean your sister, cousin, mother, or friend. No court will ever declare you "unfit" simply for doing that. So cut the melodramatics. You're unfit for some other reason, maybe you're the mom in one of these two chain letters, or both of them.
I'm Sorry Mom A Little Girl - Smelly Child Abuse Reposting racket
Chain: I am the domestic violence survivor who has no support system to turn to because I am male.
Capri: Well then there is some good news on that front, there is a shelter at a nearby town from where I live that recognizes men as victims of domestic abuse too, and personally I think there ought to be others - every shelter needs to do that.
But the difference between our shelter and you is that the people at our shelter actually got the job done. You just start and spread chain letters, which does diddly for this cause.
Chain: I am the father who has never hever hugged his son because I grew up afraid to show affection to other men.
Capri: Well, there are several things wrong with that. First, making a chain letter about it isn't going to fix what should've been done to soothe your childhood emotional owies. Second, if you're so aware of the problem, don't start chain letters about it, go hug your kid and give him whatever drippy apologies you think you need to give. And it is up to him to react however rightly or wrongly he does. if I was you, I'd expect confusion, disbelief, shock, maybe even a bit of worry from him. After all, he's never seen you do much beyond just exist, excuse me, not even that. You and he are chain letter characters. Third, you've got stupid macho problems because you were raised by some idiot or idiots who bought into a bunch of stupid stereotypes which I think literally take years off men's very lives. You went on raising your kid in the same idiocy. Well waaah. Sorry, I can't fix that for you. Fourth, I'm not a shrink, nor am I Dear Abby. I can't even begin to fix your problems which I can't even understand, and I have concerns of my own to deal with. Real concerns involving real people I love.
Chain: I am the Home Economics teacher who always wanted to be the Gym teacher until someone told me that only lesbians do that.
Capri: look, chick, dude, whatever you are, I'm not even going to begin trying to understand the weird twisted subsection of Moronica you hail from, but where I live, people don't make such STUPID judgements about gym teachers, and I've had phys-ed teachers both male and female all through school. So if you chose to base your career on what some stupid idiot told you, your stupid choice, your stupid problem. I mean if you didn't even have the backbone to tell the moron to shut up and take a hike, what else is there to say? Anybody with an ounce of character wouldn't make that statement in the first place, let alone believe it. I'm not sorry for you for being stupid.
Chain: I am the woman who died when the EMT'S stopped treating me as soon as they realized I was a transsexual.
Capri: Bullcrap! 1. If you died, you wouldn't have written this internet chain letter. 2. The EMTs do not care what you are as long as you are human, and yeah, you may be a trap (I know that's non-PC but why should I care when you throw every bad name you can conjure up at those who don't bob to your tune?) but you are human so you would've been treated same as anybody else that needed it. 3. You thinking you could slander a whole profession of people who are there to save lives just so you can prop yourself up as some ultimate but fake victim is deplorable. Go away, you rotten liar!
Chain: I am the person who feels guilty because I think I can be a better person if I didn't have to always deal with society hating me.
Capri: Oh, waaaaah waaaaaaaah. Welcome to the human race! Everybody feels that way at some point.
Chain: I am the man who stopped attending church, not because I don't believe, but because they closed the door to my kind.
Capri: Bull. You stopped going to church because you don't believe, and you're proud of that. This is nothing but a big play for pity and a big "Screw you!" to the church from you. Our church is for sinners to go learn stuff. But it is not there to encourage and promote activities and attitudes that constitute sin. That's why we don't have criminals running things there. So you can scrap this "my kind" bulls hart. For whatever reason, you just didn't get things your way, and you left in a tantrum, feeling sorry for yourself. In the end, that church is better off without you, you can always find another that might, or might not be more to your liking. Just remember, the day you walk into what you think is a "perfect" church, it stops being perfect. The world doesn't owe you a living. Stop acting like you think it does.
If this is an indirect whinge about gay marriage, why in heck is marriage so important to you anyway when you can just do what trendy heterosexuals are doing more of - shacking up? Want a license? Just get one from a JP who has no religious affiliations. Want a church for gay marriage? Well get together with your gay marriage supporting friends and make one.
Chain: I am the person who has to hide what this world needs most: love.
Capri: If you believe that, you are one sad, sick twist. Nobody has to hide love, but we all need to be careful with it. Love the wrong person and you could end up seriously backstabbed.
It's not just love the world needs most anyway. The world needs an end to hunger and sickness and cruelty, and no amount of love can magically whoosh away all these things.
Chain: I am the person ashamed to tell my friends I'm a lesbian because they constantly make fun of them.
Capri: Gosh, your "friends" must be incredibly childish, small-minded nose-pickers who stand around all day pointing their fingers and laughing at other people and/or their own stupid attempts at joking 24/7 because they just don't have lives.
*Rolling eyes* People don't make fun of gays any more except in TV shows where the content is written by liberals, or it's stuff written by trolls on the internet, the same trolls who also love bashing Christians.
Real people who just want to be left alone by gay rights fanatics don't even bring up the subject of homosexuality at all, because we just don't swing that way and really are not interested or curious about it. We won't stand for any other group telling us how to think, so why the heck should we take it from gay fundies?
I've cut ties with people I used to consider friends until they turned out to be anti-theist. you're just not meant to be friends with everybody, so pick and choose the friends you really want instead of making whiny chain letters demanding I feel sorry and totally gush all over you for being a lesbian.
Chain: I am the boy tied to a fence, beaten to a bloody pulp and left to die because two straight men wanted to "Teach me a lesson."
Capri: *Scowl* Oh brother, the age-old "gay-basher" stereotype from left-wing propaganda media just got poured on at full strength yet again.
Look, do you really think only gays get beat up and only straight people are beaters? Think again!
Anybody who actually thinks non-violent, consenting sex between adults is worse than being a sadist and beating somebody, is the worst kind of not-normal there is.That goes way beyond stupid or hypocrite and into the realm of gangs, thuggery, punkarses, the sort of people no one in their right mind associate with.
So, once again, just because I don't support pushing gay marriages into every church does NOT make me a sadist or even a bigot. We don't support or condone polyamory either.
Just one more thing. How much did you pay those thugs to beat you up for this chain letter skit? Come on, admit it, you were all in on it, sickies.
Chain: —IF YOU BELIEVE HOMOPHOBIA IS WRONG...
Capri: Bollox. I don't even believe it exists to anywhere near the blown-up proportions you make out.
Chain: REPOST THIS!--
Capri: and just what do you think that would accomplish other than get you some undeserved cheap sympathy and attention?
Don't repost it, just freaking shut it already.
* * *
Max essen's chain: Hey ( ),
Capri: *Yeah right. Forget the smiley face.
Max Essen: Listen, I know you didn't mean any harm commenting on this post and I like you, we had some great times growing up.
Capri: That part of your note has absolutely nothing to do with me, I don't know you, never grew up with you, and am pretty sure I won't be impressed by you. Both liberals and far-right drones almost always rub me the wrong way. I can tell you are really trying hard to keep from cussing a blue streak at whoever caused you to write this post.
Max Essen: But Romney and Ryan believe that I am less than you.
Capri: what a load of crap. did you actually go up to them and say "Hi guys I'm Max Essen, do you think I'm less than you?"
I'm pretty sure you're going to follow this up with some whinge promoting something from the liberal agendas and add in heaping helpings of "Let's play the victimhood act to the hilt!" to vilify these two, and make whoever stupidly posted on your wall feel like a real heel.
Max Essen: They believe I am a second class citizen and don't deserve the same rights that you had the privilege of being born into simply by being straight.
Capri: *Rolling eyes* Gah! Did whoever posted on your wall know you were gay? Then they should've known better than post anything that even hints at being pro-republican on your wall. Can't say anything to upset the gay people you know, that's the worst thing in the whole world!
and you are wrong about romney and Ryan. they don't think you're "less a person" they just don't believe in promoting gay marriage. That means, they don't believe Christian churches should ever have to be coerced into performing "marriages" between gay people, and it will come down to that considering how sue-happy people are, especially in the US, and whenever they can yell "Discrimination!" every time they don't get their own way. You'll never be content with getting "married" by a JP. if you get that far, you'll ram your agenda down the throats of Christians, bullying them with accusations of everything the gay rights people have been tossing at anyone for merely disagreeing with, or even being indifferent to the gay agenda. The fact is, you pro-gay rights people think anyone who doesn't cheer you on is a much lesser person, worthy of unending ridicule. I've seen more than enough of this propaganda on TV and the internet. Yaoi anime and other slash fanfiction fanatics are particularly vicious. Too many gay rights people have attached themselves to and taken over so many "anti-bullying" communities that the real discrimination is against people who simply don't agree with the gay life style and don't want churches getting threatened with law suits in future for not "marrying" gay people.
Max Essen: They want to add a constitutional amendment that will ban gay marriage forever.
Capri: why the heck not just shack up? that's how more and more straight people are doing it now anyway. If you want to be so "normal" then just do that and forget about the stupid little piece of paper that says "Hey! We're MARRIED!" Nobody's actually stopping you from shagging your pals, you can do whatever with whomever, however many whomevers you like, one at a time or all at once, whatever, behind closed doors. some of us just don't care to know about it, okay?
Marriage is between one man and one woman, that is the classic definition. If you're going to redefine it, where does it stop? Why stop at gay marriage then? Why not also make polyandry and polygamy considered totally acceptable and normal? Why not lower the legal age for marriage or heck, do away with it altogether? Because after all, not only the gays want to be normal, those who screw anyone and everyone every which way would want to be thought of as "not second-class citizens" either.
Max Essen: It will set us back decades and ensure that I never legally have the opportunity to have a family or a partner in my lifetime.
Capri: Wrong about this 'setting us back decades' BS. and boo-boo, cry me a bloody ocean. Nobody can stop you screwing anyone you want or even living with anyone you want, even if there was a ban on gay "marriage. Living common-law isn't illegal and neither is adultery, for that matter.
Max Essen: They also believe that being at your partner's side when he/she is dying is a benefit, not a civil right.
Capri: Bull shit! Everyone has a right to be with their friend when they are dying. that's a right, not a freaking' benefit! There isn't a benefit to watching someone die!
Max Essen: They could keep me from my partner dying in a hospital.
Capri: Again, bull crap! No one is ever kept from seeing a loved one who's dying in a hospital. The only time that would and should ever happen is when a pedophile wants to see some kid s/he abused and put in the hospital. You are just twisting this whole thing into a huge mound of demonizing lies!
Max Essen: Could you even imagine something like that in your own life?
Capri: Oh, wow, I can tell a really big attempted heart-yank, power of suggestion chain letter type drip is coming right up.
Max Essen: Being separated from your wife on her death bed?
Capri: No. Because I never have and never will have a wife. And even if I had, nobody would ban me from seeing her in the hospital. You really want everybody thinking those of us who don't fall at your feet and love everything about you for being gay, would just whoosh, poof, do away with all common decency and stop people from seeing their dying loved ones. That never happened before this gay marriage crap started cropping up.
Max Essen: Could you imagine
Capri: I'll imagine what I please, and not have some viral tell me what I'm supposed to think, thank you.
Max Essen: your marriage never being recognized and being told that your family is not a family and you do not deserve any federal rights that comes with marriage.
Capri: There's a lot more to "family" than you apparently think. I'm not married. I have a family. I don't have kids. I have parents and siblings, nieces, nephews, cousins, aunts and uncles. Not having gay marriage hasn't nixed them all out of the family tree!
And don't even go there with this gay couples and kids. Given the choice between placing a kid with a gay couple and abusive guardians, I would naturally pick the gay couple. But that doesn't mean you should get priority above any decent straight couple looking to adopt. Even for them, I'm staunchly against surrogate motherhood, but that's a subject for a different time. and no, I don't agree with polygamists/polyandrists having or adopting kids either. They do that in different countries and vastly different cultures. But not here… Let's keep it that way.
Max Essen: Over 1100 rights. Did you know that? 1100.
Capri: all the rights you need are written down somewhere…….. You don't need a "right" that gives you the "right" to bully others into being fine and dandy with the gay life style..
Max Essen: Ryan doesn't believe in the hate crimes act fought unwaveringly for by Judy Shepard, mother of Matthew Shepard, murdered for being gay in Wyoming.
Capri: Wrong, he just doesn't believe in gay "marriage" and is probably sicker than sick of you people ramming your fanaticism down the throats of everyone who doesn't jump right on the gay bandwagon with you.
Max Essen: Murdered for being gay. Could you imagine if I was murdered for being gay?
Capri: You seem to forget that a lot of people are murdered for no reason at all. You only want everyone believing that to be anti-gay must absolutely mean hate, and it doesn't. there is hate on the gay side, too, plenty of it. It just gets played down, covered up, or excused.
Gay-bashers are not normal, and they certainly don't come remotely close to representing people who simply don't agree with "gay marriage" and are worried about being forced to pretend to accept something they are either squicky with or thought of as a sin or both.
Liberals have a terrible reputation for screaming "HATe" where none exists, and then backing up their argument by bringing up old cases of hate that actually happened.
There should be laws against hate crimes, of course, but like any other laws, they shouldn't be abused, and used as a beating stick to bully any of your dessenters into shutting up, particularly when "I don't swing that way" doesn't even come close to being hate speech, let alone a hate crime.
Max Essen: Could you really look my mom in the eye and say 'oh well, we can not prosecute this crime as a hate crime'?
Capri: If it is a hate crime, it is a hate crime. if someone gets killed specifically because the killer hated them for being gay, straight, black, white, Christian, man, woman, etc. then it's a hate crime… But not everything you yell about is actually "hate" and you're only using this murder as a platform to tout a vilifying agenda against a couple of people who don't want to see the definition of marriage go any further down the tubes.
Max Essen: I know there are important issues involved in this campaign. I know people are suffering and the economy has not improved at a rate we all wish it would. Yes, people are suffering but the gay and lesbian community has been suffering for hundreds of years
Capri: Oh, please. Women and children have been suffering for thousands of years, if you really want to get into a pissing contest about which segment of the human population has had it roughest, and right now, the gay community is pretty much reigning supreme. Today, you are called every name in the book if you don't agree with the gay life style. Disagreeing with gay rights has become the worst sin according to a lot of people, and not just gays either.
Max Essen: and I am so tired of it.
Capri: Well I am so tired of Christians getting dumped on by anti-theists, liberals always telling women and the disabled "You are victims and only we can help!" I'm tired of bad republicans saying all the wrong things and not disowning the far-right fringe.
Max Essen: So tired of feeling that I am less than.
Capri: Welcome to the human race, buddy. Sometimes feeling less than is just part of the human condition. if you weren't so busy feeling sorry for yourself and trying to get everybody to love your gay-ness, if you didn't try to make some people feel "less than" for not wishing to diddle with the definition of marriage, you wouldn't have so many problems.
Max Essen: So tired of knowing I have friends on here who will vote for someone who will keep me a second class citizen for my entire lifetime.
Capri: I'm so tired of your whining. So if you can't get married in the US, big deal. Go to Amsterdam and get hitched and a shiny little marriage license there if that's so important to you.
There is no such thing as a "second-class citizen" in North america. There aren't gay soda fountains and gay areas in restaurants, gay shopping malls, gay schools, sections in public parks and swimming pools for gays only. There is no gay aparteit here. Only some people who don't want the word marriage to become completely meaningless and a way for gays to bully people of certain sects into performing gay "marriages."
BTW, no, I don't believe any of the anti-gay marriage chain emails that make claims about some law forcing churches to marry gay people.
I believe that Christians against gay marriages could be bullied on a much more individual basis. If a member of a Christian church turns gay and wants to marry, is refused a ceremony in that church, he/she will cry discrimination and try to bully the whole church community and the pastor into giving them what they want, instead of just going to a JP who couldn't care less about their orientation.
This isn't really about rights, it's about rebelling against Christian ethics and a grab for power by the liberals.
Max Essen: I have already spent half a lifetime hiding, half a lifetime conforming.
Capri: Well you don't now, so you have nothing to snivel about.
Max Essen: It is exhausting, demeaning and I am worn out.
Capri: It doesn't matter to anybody else who you snog. Really. Just stop trying to force everybody else to approve of it, give you some badge of honour, or even give a darn.
Max Essen: I want to love myself full out.
Capri: Nobody's stopping you from that except yourself… So you're gay. Big deal. The only person making you feel like a second-class citizen is you, and you're just projecting that on to romney and ryan. I'm pretty sure they don't know you and never even heard of you, much less care who you hop in the sack with.
Max Essen: I want a president who can look me in the eye and say 'You are equal!'
Capri: In case you forgot, that is already written somewhere in the declaration of independence or the US constitution - I don't remember which. God did create everyone equal. But it's not his fault or that of a US president if some people choose to make themselves unequal somewhere along the line. Would you consider a murderer equal to you? They have just as strong urges and desires, some of those include intense longing to feel accepted if you go by what detective TV shows say. Not so different from you, eh?
Max Essen: 'You are equal to everyone else in this country and I will fight for your rights.
Capri: If you really believed that, you'd leave the marriage thing where it is and not open the door to a possible future where Christians get bullied even more for their stance against gay-ness.
This whole equality/rights thing has already been done, long ago. It doesn't mean absolutely every sort of behaviour should be loved and accepted as something good that we should all have the right to do and not have the right to disagree with or in some cases, try to prevent.
Max Essen: The time is now and it is long overdue.'
Capri: Yeah, it's time to tell idiots on both sides to shut up, and tell the gay rights people to back off and leave the rest of us who aren't on board with them alone. We're not bothering you. You mind your business, we'll mind ours.
Max Essen: Romney and Ryan could not look me in the eye and say that
Capri: Bull! "I don't want there to be gay marriage" isn't "You are not equal and I won't fight for your rights." It means "I don't want people ramming their politics into my life so hard that it even forces the church I go to into performing marriages for gays, polyamorists and people under the legal age."
Max Essen: and I feel sorry for every gay and questioning child who might have to listen to a president who believes that he/she is not equal.
Capri: Save your false-pity and Romney-villification crap. You obviously grew up in an era where it wasn't the in thing to be gay. Well, now it is. the liberals, especially anti-Christians, and even some Christians made sure of that.
Max Essen: Children will take their lives.
Capri: Don't lay this at Romney's door. children have been taking their lives since probably the beginning of human history, and there is no way you'll ever convince me the majority of those were having gay issues. There are millions of reasons people commit suicide, and many are straight.
Max Essen: It is the WORST form of trickle down bullying
Capri: oh, boy, talk about a propaganda buzzword 'tricklee-down trickle down trickle down' I've heard wingnuts use that enough times, and you are just the typical problem with so-called anti-bullying programs being corrupted by other agendas.
The real bullying is the gay rights zealots accusing anyone who doesn't agree with being gay, of bullying.
Several girls over several years suicided due to bullying. Their cases were well known and got a lot of coverage. and these cases had nothing to do with being gay. They were straight.
Max Essen: and it absolutely splits my heart in half.
Capri: You can stop bleeding all over the screen any time now, I get it, you're sad, you're tired, you're mad as hell.
Max Essen: When the president says you are less than,
Capri: Yadda, yadda, yadda. The president didn't say that, nor did either of the candidates for the US election, so get a grip and stop feeling so sorry for yourself. You're gay. you're in. you're the coolest man on the planet. You can shack up with anyone you like. You can screw anyone you like. Everybody adores you. You got it made. And you're still not happy because a couple of republicans merely don't want to give you that nice little shiny "MARRIAGE!" license. Pathetic.
Max Essen: it gives permission to every authority figure, every politician, every teacher, every bully on the playground to push you around and bully you and treat you less than.
Capri: But nobody's saying you are "less than" you're the only one stuck on that kind of stupid. Let it go and stop trying to push the rest of us around with your passive-aggressive bullying rant.
Max Essen: It is dangerous
Capri: Yeah, dangerous like this.
Max Essen: and lives will be lost.
Capri: In case you still aren't getting it, most lost lives, including to suicide aren't because somebody shouted out "Fag!" in the playground. People have issues with appearance. They kill or get killed. They have issues with where they come from, so they kill or get killed. They get stalked and killed, or they stalk and kill others who won't return their creepy feelings. They have issues with wealth or and either kill or get killed because of that. They believe all the environmentalist gloom and doom and kill themselves because they feel they have nothing to live for and are only contributing to the problems of the planet by being here. Cruel-natured kids kill because they have ice water in their veins and are jealous or feel slighted by their victim, and some just kill for kicks. one gay marriage promo magic bullet isn't going to stop or prevent any of that from continuing to go on.
Max Essen: If this is not important to you, please remove me from your friends list.
Capri: Not a problem, since I never was, and have no intention of ever being on your friends list!
Max Essen: I need people in my life who love me and consider me 100% equal. Max "
Capri: 'equal equal equal' what a broken record. Blah, blah, blah!
Newsflash, just because people consider you equal doesn't mean they must love, agree with, or even accept every freaking thing you say or do. I don't have to want gay marriage, and you don't have to want the same things I want. so call it even and equal, and stop being such a whining wind-bag about it. Not having gay "marriage" isn't going to end the world. If you're going to be gay, you might as well just go common law and avoid a lot of possible future hassle. No divorce if you and your common-law boyfriend go splitsville.